Category: Dating and Relationships
i am a lesbian and feel that i am not excepted by other blind people for that reason alone. blind people are spose to kind of have a common bond with each other. so why do some think it wrong to be blind and lesbian. like just because you are blind you are a lesbian.
I don't see A problem with it I am straight myself but gays and lesbians that are blind should still have the same rights and same feelings as everyone else, Just because they are blind and gay it makes them more uniquie
The only suggestion I have to explain this is that like everyone the blind community has it's share of narrow minded people. They seem more prominent because it's the world in which we live. I doubt they are any different really to the rest of the world, but we kind of hope they will understand a bit better because they share a common bond. I believe a person is a person first, and any lifestyle they choose or that chooses them, is for them to live with and enjoy. Why should we sit in judgement? Good luck to you Cookies and Cream, I hope you can find someone who will love and accept you.
I certainly have no problem with anyone being gay or lesbian, blind or not, at the same time it does definitely not make them "cool" or "interesting" to me either. The reason I'm saying this is because I had some lesbian friends at university that really thought that being lesbian made them unique and all they talked about 24/7 was the lesbian equal rights movement and lesbians and literature and lesbians and music and lesbian sex life etc. I know that personally I got so tired of all that I just gave up hanging out with them. I don't talk about being straight 24/7, sexual preference only matters when you get to the romantic aspects of friendships or reltionships and unless it's a girl I fin very interesting and attractive does her sexual preference interest me. So, while I definitely don't reject anyone's friendship based on their sexual preferences if I see soeone making a huge deal about being gay and talking about gay rights etc that definitely will discourage me from talking to them just like anyone that is obsessed with anything that I don't find interesting. All that being said, I am not saying anyone on here is like that, only explaining what problems I had with my few friends in the past with that sexual persuation and that problem for me stemmed from the fact their sexual preference seemed to take over their entire lives.
But, good luck and feel free to drop me a message some time if you want.
cheers
-B
Ahh Blackbird being gay/bi/lb ect is not a lifestyle choice,it is thought to be caused by a change in the person's DNA which happens in the womb, we did not choose our life it was chosen for us...but I definately agree with everything else you said
Well I don't see anything wrong with some one who is gay or a lesbian. I sometimes have to ask them what it is like for them. I have been cirous for a while. I say if that is what you are then fine. I'm sure some one will come along and except you the way you are. There is alway going to be discrimination about that but don't let it get you down at all. I'm sure something will come along and help you through your misory.
I guess that is all I have.
i just wanted to say thanks for everyones messages on my board and feel free to broaden the topics to anything you want in the relm of the board name.
Hmm I wish there was more help for blind/vi members of the gay community as we know meeting and/or chatting up,a prospective date is filled with risk. Mostly will they accept us, or be scared off, by all that extra responsiblity..but when it comes to interpreting signals from sighted men/women we are exposed to colossal risk....
The lack of information and support from the gay/bi/lb organistions is scandalous, they seem more interested in getting their gormless faces on tv, after yet another pointless protest ....
I've been 'out' as a lesbian for around a year now, so I'm definitely glad to see that someone has finally come forward to ask what I've been wanting to know for a while.
Oh, and on a completely unrelated note, I'm *so* an andro-dyke. XD
--Ellectra
Gobblin I believe I actually said either a lifestyle they chose or that chooses them. I wasn't saying that a gay person chooses to be gay, just encompassing more than sexuality in my comment.
I'm straight, too, but I have friends who are lesbians and gay and I have no problem with it. I also hate it when blind people get all worked up about it and make fun of others who aren't straight, but I think everyone does it, it's not just blind people. In a perfect world, everyone would be accepted but...there ya go.
I don't know that we need an LGBT board, per-se. We're doing fine here. Also, there's "let's talk", "singles spitswap", and "getting to know you", where we can congregate and talk of things "Gay". Regarding mainstream gay community not appreciating its members who are blind/visually-impaired, I think it's more that we are "invisible" (no pun intended), to them. We have a hard time learning the visual stuff they rely on. On a "gay board", I just answered a query from someone who had no idea that blind people can have any sexuality. Sometimes, I wonder if that myth still operates in the "blindness community". I went to a school for the blind, where almost no attention was given to any sort of dating or relationship stuff. I'm glad I found a few "house parents" who could be positive gay role models.
-Dave
One more thing...
I suppose we blind folk should "out" ourselves to gay community groups that interest us.
Hi cookies and cream. You know I will be here to talk to you if you want to talk to me ever in privit let me know I will be more than happy to talk to you if need be.
Dave thankyou for the address and your right about outing ourselves, and perhaps a few of those hiding in denial, who would prefer if we never mentioned our sexuality..I am going to E-mail a radio show for the blind/vi on Radio 4 called In Touch to raise the thorny question of blindness and sexuality,because as far as I know, its never been covered...
ok hey all its j got a question how many of the gay or lesbians onhere feel comfortable with dating someone who is bisexual. does them being that way make you ok or does it make you feel that its not ok for you to date them?
i prefer to date another lesbian, cause i just feel more at ease.
thanks chels
As a totally blind and straight person, I find it disturbing to hear that other blidn people reject you simply because you are a lesbian. I wish you well in growing your group of blind friends through this site!
I wonder if they feel the gay issue may make it even harder for a predjudiced society to accept the blind/vi..when the gay label is attached and I wonder if they may also feel threatened by gay women, who may take advantage,of those with little or no vision...
I guess it depends as far as dating someone who is blind and bi if you're lesbian. in either case it has to has to has to be someone you trust and know won't hurt you.
thanks beth
i'm blind and gay, and my boyfriend says he is bi. i think he may be a bit gayer than he says he is, because he never really mentions girls, but maybe he knows I wouldn't really want to hear about it.
I trust him, because she sure doesn't seem to be leaving me any time soon!
So if you like someone, enough to date them, and they are bi, don't let that stop you. If they want to cheat on you, they'll do it anyways.
Shawn
Shawn I agree for the most part. However,I must stand up for the bi men/women.It is grossly unfair to accuse only us Bisexual's of cheating, there is far too much of it going on in gay relationships...I am tired of having the accustory finger pointed at me, still, its easier to find a scapegoat eh...
thanks sean
A friend of mine observed some time ago that at least on some e-mail lists oriented toward blind folks that you were pretty much ignored or shouted down or otherwise passed over unless you were heterosexual, conservative and Christian. I can get that impression myself sometimes but not sure how valid it is, since it can seem to be a pretty sweeping generalization. Is this true of blind people at least to an extent, or is this just a smaller version of how people are in general? It can seem that if people see themselves as the majority they act as if being their way is the ultimate way to be and anyone who doesn't conform is beneath them. Is that too harsh a judgment?Personally, I'm straight and think that I'd be wasting my time judging other people's lifestyle merely because it wasn't my preference. What matters is if I like a given person's personality or have enough things in common to make conversation interesting or whatnot.
Goblin,
I wasn't saying a bisexual person would be more likely to cheat. i meant by what i said that a bisexual person isn't any more or less likely to cheat on their partner than a gay or straight person. If someone wants to, they'll do it anyways, regardless of orientation of any kind. I did not mean to accuse you or other bisexual people in any way.
Shawn
im gay and thought id say hi
Such enthusiasm, Bittersweet! LOL! I'm high, and thought I'd say "Gay"
I have a few friends that are lesbians and I don't care if they are or not all that matters to me is there personality and how they act I don't treat people differently just because there different and I don't know why this world does.
hey everyone, on the topic of whether or not I would date a bixexual??? hmmm well i have to say that I wouldn't feel totally comfortable being with a bi girl, I'm not sure why, i think it's cus the whole sleeping with a guy really makes my stomach turn and to think that she likes to do that wouldn't impress me very much. Sayint that, if I did meet a girl who I fell totally in love with and she happened to be bi then so be it, but i definitely prefer dating lesbians. Also, has anyone had experiences where you've dated some one who says they're gay and who actually turns out to be bi? because that really does annoy me. I have a friend who claims to be a lesbian and who sleeps with a guy once in a while and I think that's so wrong, why can't she just openly say she's bisexual? And to cookies and cream great idea setting up this board!
I am straight, but most of the men I have dated/slept with have been bisexual. So I definitely have no sroblem with it, & it sickens me that a community op seople who are used to suffering discrimination at the hands of others could turn around & do is to others.
it's not about discrimination. it's about feeling comfortable with someone especially if you're intimate with them. let me put it this way, most people think that bestiality which is sex swith animals is gross right? So if you got with some one who said that they were in to that, you would be reluctant to get involved at all and especially sexually. Well, for some lesbians, the thought of sleeping with a guy grosses them out that much and so if you meet a woman that says she likes to do that, you might not want to get involved. It's not discrimination, it's just personal choice, just because you don't like something you can't immediately call it discrimination, you have to look at the reasoning behind it first. We are so quick to use that label these days and in most cases yes it is appropriate, but by choosing not to sleep with a bisexual woman is exactly that, a choice!
I would like to promote something that I think the board would be interested in.
www.for-the-people.com has created a new room called People Like Us. Most people are aware from past topics that ftp has a rainbow room, but some people may not be comfortable going there. For one thing, itt is an unsensored room, where sex could be described. Also, this room shows on the locator frame anyone that is there.
This newest room is for those that maybe aren't sure what their orientation is, but want to ask questions in order to discover it. Also, it would be for those who want to talk with gay people, but might not be ready forthe rainbow room.
This room must be opened through the special interest, or all categories page. The advantage to this is that other members of the site will not know who is in this room, or even that it is occupied at all. Your name will however show up in the room so that you can be identified there. If you already have a membership, and don't want the nick names you have shown there, you can email the site director to change them.
If you are creating a new membership, keep that in mind when you choose nicknames.
If you think this room is appropriate for you, or know someone that would benefit, please tel them about it.
If you are at all confused by this posting, please send me a private message or quick note and i'll be more than happy to answer them. I worked with a few other people in setting the parameters for this room, and the ligistics of how it will work.
Shawn
Shawn
i came out to my mom on tuesday, and it was by far the hardest thing i've ever done, and her reaction isnt something i necessarily want to remember either.
Well I will state my oppinion and you people may not like it, but oh well, here goes. I personally am bisexual, and women, I know you may think this is wrong but here goes, I do on occasion sleep with women, but I have never had a relationship with one, I just feel uncomfortable having a serious relationship with a woman, maybe it is just the fact that I can't live without both sexes, call me selfish, greedy or whatever you want but honestly that is how alot of bisexuals are, they love the best of both worlds, with that being said, maybe one day I will try having a serious relationship with a woman if she intrigues me enough?
keep smiling beautiful_dorian cus it'll all work out in the end. You've taken the first major step to being free!
I have a question, and I'll admit I'm a bit nervous about saying this; asking this, and getting judged, but what's it like being with another woman? Ok, now let me explain. I tried it once when I was younger, but often lately I've wondered if my up bringing colored my view of what happened. I'm extremely curious about having sex with another woman, but the topic also makes me very nervous...I've talked to my husband about it and a little one of my best friends, but I'm afraid to go into to much discussion of it do to my own confusing feelings. Any insights? LOL, ok, odd wording, but I'm not sure how else to say it. A little background...I was raised in the southeast of the US where such sexual activity is not looked upon well...Guess that's the best way I can put it. *blushing furiously*
Hey wc,it's all right, it is a nervous topic to talk about, as for your answer, in most instances a woman knows a woman's body more than a man does, that is why some women go with them from time to time, I will admit the feeling is just a little different, and the embrace it is nothing like a man's, but they each have their own unique and wonderful feelings, and really, it is just up to you to decide if you want to be with one, and of course, which you like better. Hope that was enough help for you.
i'm still a virgin, but the thought of sex with a guy groses me out! hope that helps, :-) best of luck to you wc.
My ass is exit only thank you verry much.
LOL BG. Yes, the info has helped some, and I can tell you that sex with a guy definitely does not gross me out. Considering I am married and love making love with him. *smile* I also know I'm very curious about other women, and find myself wishing I could find a female that I could be that comfortable with...
Hi guys,
I'm a straight girl, who's actually looking at doing an article for uni here in Australia on the arguments for and against Same-sex marriages and I was wondering what your arguments for them would be? Any experiences with "straight" people's clashing opinions, judgemental comments, stereotyping, etc? If you could reply ASAP, I would greatly appreciate it as I wan't to get started on the article as soon as I can.
Note: I'm looking at publishing it in the Australian's Women's Weekly and our uni's student magazine, Get Amunst It, so if you don't wish to be quoted in the article, just let me know in your reply.
Thanks everyone.
Peace,
Jess.
BG that was good...lol
my stepdad says he'd slap one of his kids if he found out they were gay (he has no clue i am). most of the comments i hear are, "its wrong", "you're a sinner", "you're gonna go to hell", "that's not the right way to be", "that's not normal", etc etc.
It's hard enough getting people to accept you when they see that you can't see. We all know that you could be the smartest blind person on the planet, and there'd still be people who treat you like shit just because you're blind. But I sympathize with those of you who are gay or lesbian or transexuals and what not. Because you now have one more thing against you. And that to me is just wrong, because we can't always help what we are.
Just thought I'd say hi here being as I'm a bi woman, and the glbt family has to stick together. :)
Welcome, our newby sistah, PinkGlow!
You're right, we do have to stick together:).
Cheers,
-Dave (a blind, gay guy what has a podcast)
Ya you guys have to stick together because you chose not to deal with the rest of us or something.
Blingguy you are obviously a trouble-maker. It's too bad you don't have anything else to do but go around posting sarcastic comments such as the above. Seriously, leave well enough alone (i.e. leave your sarcastic comments out of the topic). Besides, this topic board is for GLBT and A persons, and clearly you are not a part of the GLBT or allied communities.
ok pinkglow, in a way you're right with your rant a blind guy, but my question is, why have a board to separate yourselves from the rest, when you really want the world as a whole to accept you? I am for those who don't know, streight, and believe a person is just that a person, regardless of their lifestyle, so read this simply because I consider you all just people, but I'd be interested to hear your answer to my questin.
we need a board to ourselves so we can discuss issues that only we feel need to be discussed. its cookies the starter of this board. haven't checked in a while or been on so hey everyone and got a question. how many of you gay and lesbians only have feelings of studs and fems or gay girlies and gay men as couples? do you think fem girls should go with each other and the same for gay guys. or do you think it should be strictly by fem stud and so on?
I think love is love, and whatever or who ever the person is you fall in love with, you should love them for who they are, *hugs and kisses to the creator*
J, I accept what you're saying, and don't have an issue with you having a board specifically for discussing things specific to Gay/lesbian people, but why bitch at people who aren't that way inclined being curious? I can see there is no need for obnoxious posts from people who have nothing better to do, but, you'll find many of us streight people are curious, and not always for perverse reasons.
Well I don't think the point was to bitch about people that 'aren't that way inclined' as Blackbird put it?! Just that blindguy is a complete arse who is asking to be bitched at! And from a personal note, most people (admitedly not all), and usually guys at that, their 'curiosity' for want of a better word, isn't purely for non-perverse reasons. And comments and the 'same old questions' and the such like, do tend to get a bit tiresome. So I think that's why I personally tend to get on the defensive! Then in saying that, I don't think you do yourselves any favours in actively sectioning yourself off from society, as you generate unhealthy curiosiry and a bigger social divide, when surely the priority is acceptance within society to not be seen as a minority group or as some sort of taboo? Excuse my random rantings, am bored and tired! :S
I would also like to agree with ride_or_die_chick, and say that you can't help who you fall in love with! It is one thing you have no control over. So that goes for same sex relationships, as well as the whole butch-fem lesbian stereotype. I don't think there is a standard rule, or opposites attract or anything, it is much more complicated than that! You have no control over true love! Trust me!
well... what to say, it's been a while... lol. Firstly I agree with my gorgeous lady in that you really can't help who you fall in love with. Why should fem girls only go with a certain type of woman, the same with butches? We're free to choose surely? On the subject of having sex with a female and what it is like, I am a very open minded and adventurous person and what I would say to Witchcraft is that you only have one life, so make the most of it. If your curious, try it. Why not? And to Blackbird about the board thing. Sometimes the straight community doesn't like gay oriented discussions going on on their boards, as they are not all open minded. So, it is nice to have a board where you can just chill, relax and be your god damn queer self haha. Love yall
And you said you were reading! Yeah right! I love ya baby xxxx
we sooo rock, dont we? always remember that y'all hugs!
just coming on here to say what up to all my peeps on here
Hi all, again,
I just wanted to make a correction in regards to where that article could be published: I'm no longer going to try publishing it in the Australian's Women's Weekly, but in the Gold Coast Bulletin, (Our local magazine), and Get Amungst It. I'm sorry if posting again here and bringing up the issue of my article is annoying to any of you, but if any of you wish to comment on your reasons for same-sex marriage, I'd really appreciate it.
Thanks, and again, I didn't mean to hassle.
a lot of my friends are part of the glbtq community, and i'm totally ok with it. i don't think it matters whether you're blind or not blind...and i can totally see myself dating another girl...therefore prefer to go by bicurious for now since i'm only fourteen.
if straight people are allowed to marry, why shouldn't we be entitled to that right as well?
Hell yes! I agree totally! Firstly, I don't see how it is fair to say you have to be straight to get married! That implies that saying gays and lesbians won't want to spend the rest of their lives with one person! Which is utter crap! Or of course it condemns same-sex relationships giving them no credit whatsoever! I mean, I would imagine there would be quite a few people who have got married to a member of the opposite sex, to leave their partner and come out as gay. So having no system where gay people can marry would just seem to encourage people to marry someone they don't love, cos society implies it is the right thing to do, which makes a mockery out of the whole marital system! And just encouraging divorce! I'm gay, and I fully intend to marry my beautiful girlfriend in a few years when the time is right (if she'll have me). The whole civil partnership thing coming into effect here in the UK in december, supposedly will enable same-sex couples to 'marry', with the same rights as straight married couples, such as next-of-kin rights and financial rights and rights over children etc. But it does piss me off slightly... why not call it marriage then? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for it! And I think it's wonderful that things are changing for the better and that we get to be married etc, but for fuck's sake... call a spade a spade, and call it a marriage instead of a 'civil partnership'! It's only half of the battle putting civil partnerships into effect... cos if you're calling them something different to what it would be for a straight couple, then you're still putting barriers there and still creating a divide! Seems to me that someone along the line needs to have some balls and call it as it is! I'll finish ranting and just say that yes, I more than agree with same sex weddings and marriages etc... there is nothing more amazing that commiting to the person you love and want to spend the rest of your life with! And let's face it, you can't choose who you fall in love with!
Well lets see. First for most of human history marriage ahd a strong religious component. This implies that marriage has a religious conotation which I'd still like to believe is true, even though it's becoming less and less that way. So how about you just call anything that the government does a civil union, and anything done in a church by a priest such as a cathlic wedding a marriage? YOu both get the same rights, but I don't want to see same sex marriage in the methodist religion, not because I have anything against gay people, but because I believe that marriage should be religious, and if you are gay or athiest you should get a civil union which gives you tax breaks, but no religious conotation.
In the US the government and religeon are suppose to be two separate things; (not that I believe this), and the government from the US; (and apparently from other countries this is so too), calls two people from opposite genders married; (even if they are joined by a justice of the piece), so, why shouldn't theyy extend that definition for other relationships instead of being prejudice? So many governments have made a show of fighting prejudices against the disabled, different races...Why should this be any different? And why should it remain a religious thing? When marriage is recognized by so many different governments; and not supposedly for religious reasons. Hope that made since, but to say the least, I'm definitely for same sex marriages and troykas and other types of marriages that are currently unrecognized. Besides, I think as long as all parties involved are in agreement; IE two women, two men or two women and one man and viceversa why should any government have anything to say about a private matter such as marriage? Do what you will as long as you hurt none, and I can't see that any relationship that is full of love hurts anyone; certainly better then some "normal" marriages out here.
lol... very well put Witchcraft. I think to say that 'marriage' is and should be a religious thing, and non-religious people shouldn't call it a wedding cos they don't get married in a curch is a bit hypocritical of the whole state of marriage! Marriage should solely be governed by, and entered into for no other reason than love! I don't think even the church or other religious organisation could contest that. And as I have said many times before, you can't help who you fall in love with! And at the end of the day, so long as there is legal recognition of it as a marriage, then it is between those that are married to each other to make of it what they will! But I do think it whether marriage or civil union whatever you want to call it, it should be a standardised term between all religions, races, cultures and groups! How else do we achieve equality and eliminate prejudice?
well this is what the dictionary deffanition is of marriage.
A. The legal union of a man and woman as husband and wife.
i guess you can't maryr cause you go against nature for church. Why cant we live together without marrying? Does that make such a big difference?
Hi everyone!
Thanks a lot for your responses! Much appreciated!
Thanks again,
Jess.
As far as definitions go they're being changed all the time. IE, "ain't" use to not be a word, and now according to the Webster's dictionary it is, and other words have changed for definition over time to fit the society that use them, so, why should this word be any different? As far as why people get married; for some it's the ultamet commitment, and for some it is the ultimet expression of love. Everyone feels differently about it.
in response to beautiful painter, you said why can't we just live together and be content with that? My question is, why should we be? If hetero couples can show their utter commitment to their partner, and show their family and friends how much they love each other by getting married, why shouldn't we get the chance to do the same? Some gay couples might be happy just living together with know documented commitment, but for those who aren't happy with that, civil partnerships just aren't enough. And what's more, the term sounds so business like. As far as i'm concerned i love my girlfriend and would love the chance to call her my wife, and if we decide to have children in the future (which is another point for discussion alltogether), i would like to be able to say to them that we are married.
Hear hear :) 100% with ya baby :)
Oh god not the having kids issue, I've sceen what happens when a child has a gay parrent and although the situation works, it's far from ideal.
Hi everyone,
Thanks for all your responses. I have almost finished my article, too!
Thanks again - much appreciated.
Peace,
Jess.
I hope for all of you who are gay and lesbian that there will come a time when it's considered acceptable and legal for you to marry, I can see no real reasons why not except to keep satisfying the bigots in the world. I also hope that you are able to have children without so much negativity as we see now. I think that you should be able to adopt if you aren't able for whatever reason to have your own. and Jared, there are many situations in which parenting is not ideal, but we don't say that it shouldn't happen. I grew up predominantly with one parent, be it heterosexual, it isn't ideal for a child to have one parent, but it's accepted as part of life, Lets move forward and accept that some people in the world were made ina way that atracts them to people of the same sex, and except for that are really no different to the rest of us.
i dont think anythings wrong with being a lesbian!
i dont believe ANYONE is completelystraight
Awwww... how very well put Kev :). I wish I had some of your tact and diplomacy :). And I think Belinda has a fair point too. Hayley and I had this discussion with one of our former housemates about just that very thing, thinkting that no one is completely straight, and that some people may be bi without even realising it. Now of course people are now gonna jump up and say 'i disagree, I am etc', which if that's what you believe, then fair play to ya, just all I'm saying, is that in nearly everyone I know, I think there is a certain 'bi' potential, whether they realise it or not!
I've always felt this is true of women, but not so with men. I think you see it in women, the ease with which they are able to show deeper affection for other women, that really isn't the case with men. I believe that most people whether they admit it or not experiment at some point, mostly during puberty, but as for possibly being a little bi, I'm not convinced.
No no... you do see it in men! Seriously! In that conversation I mentioned earlier, our housmate said she could definetely see such potential in her friend Duncan, even though he maintained he was straight! And likewise, I have a friend Jack... who is gay, he just doesn't realise it yet! His girlfriend is hairier than a rotweiler (although she is a lovely person). He has taste in very masculine women, and has shown far too much concern in his old housemate Nick for it to be platonic! But then, male egos are such that I doubt I could convince any bloke on here that it is posible for everyone (including men) to be a little bit bi. Am I wrong?
Lucy, I'm the kind of person who I think could handle it, the thing is, I just don't fancy men. I can be sensative and in touch witht the so-called feminine side, of me, but I don't think that means I have a chance of being bi. I went to boarding school, so am aware of what the gay part of this can mean, and in all honesty, just don't think of guys that way. lol but if you want to convince me then try. and if you're serious, you need to stop being shy, and get on vt with Hayley so we can debate this propperly. lol
Two things. It's possible at least in my opinion for someone to be completely straight, because at least in my view being curious doesn't mean your bi, only if you have sexual contact and view it as sexual with the same race. I say view it as sexual, since just because I was a wrestler does not mean even though I did wind having to grab other men I did not view in any kind of sexual mannar. I will stick to my guns about gay individuals not being able to have children in most situations because of situations I have sceen. While I think a gay couple should be allowed to adopt a child if no other sutible home could be found since being raised by a same sex couple is prefferable to being forced to live in a foster home for your entire life I believe that that given everything else equal accept for the sexual orientation of the couple on the average a streight home will be a better enviornment for the child then a same sex home. I also feel this way about single parrents that a single parrent shouldn't be allowed to adopt unless the choice is either the single parrent or a much longer stint in the foster system.
hang on for a start, i was raised by my mother alone and have grown up to be what i would consider a well balanced individual. I think that a child can be reaised, although yes it is not ideal, but still can be raised by one person alone. Not everytone has a family with a mother and a farther figure and it doesn't seem to seriously affect that many people.
I have to agree. While I had my father until I was 8 and then speratically after that. I honestly think I would have done better with only my Mom. As then I wouldn't have had to grow up with drunken promises that would never come true, days and nights of fear when it was preferable to have a throwable object at hand while I barricaded me and my younger siblings in a tiny bedroom or anything like that. No, it isn't desirable for there to only be one parent, but sometimes I think it is for the better, and you can't base an entire judgement on a few incidences you have only seen. Let's look at it logically. We have two homes, both make the same amount of money, but one is of streight orientation and the other is either homosexual or troyka orientation, (Troyka is 2 men and 1 woman or viceversa). Now they have the same size home, good neighborhood; maybe they are neighbors? What are the differences? With all you have people who want to love, support and take care of the child; assuming they're not adopting for incomprehenceble reasons. With one you have the "norm" for a family life; which is great if you want all of society to conform and have no individuality, but with the other you have a broader sociological experience that could broaden the horizons of our own future. My point is simply this. Each situation has it's strengths and weaknesses. Each adult, and yes child, have their good and bad points whether they are homosexual, bisexual or streight, but to judge on sexual preference alone is simply disreguarding individuality and supporting the "norm". Since when is the "norm" the only way to be? If that were the case it could be turned around to say if you have one sighted couple and one couple who is totally blind or only one member of it is blind, and all other aspects are equal, then the sighted couple should get preference.
Also I believe the numbers are something like a hcild with gay parrents are 70% more likely to experience at least one episode of homofobia by the time they are 14 reguardless of weather they are gay or not. And we probably can't use your situation as an example for adoption because although I can't say for certain chances are that if your parrents had tryed to adopt rather then having you naturally there would have been some warning signs of your father's abusive tendencies and you would not have been placed in that home. Unfortionately the parrenting situation with adoptions is very different then if the child's natural parrent or parrents would have raised them.
I agree that it is unfortunate that the situation is different, but my only point with bringing up my own situation is this. Sometimes to say something is better this way or that simply doesn't work. Situations need to be considered on an individual basis, and to make a law absolutely forbidding this or that where as it comes to adoption, marriage or whatever doesn't help the human race, but instead henders it. And generalizations do almost as much damage; if not more in some cases.
lucy, that's awesome that they're gonna legalize same sex marriage in the uk. it'll probably get banned in texas, and that's unfortunate, :(. ahhh well, when i find the girl i'm gonna spend my life with, i'll say we're married! why do people see wrong in us getting married? why can't they focus on the love we have for one another? that really pisses me off!
Because same sex relationships are against the "norm", and what ever is against the "norm" must be wrong, illegal and/or evil. People are afraid of the different as a rule.
This 'norm' business, to be frank, is a load of crap! So blindguy reckons that 70% of children with gay parents suffer homophobic attacks? Well that's not the parents or the child's fault. It's society! So gay couples shouldn't be allowed to have kids or adopt cos the kids might be bullied etc? Then what are we saying? That children which are disabled or those with learning difficulties should be terminated before birth or put into institutions because they are likely to be bullied throughout life? Or single parents shouldn't be allowed to have kids, or if a parent dies then the child has to be placed into care so they get adequate love and attention? OF COURSE NOT!!!! It's society's problem. We judge people and situations too harshly, without any regard for the full facts! And to resolve the problem it requires parents to bring their children up to be open-minded and for there to be no cut-and-dry norm as people believe, cos it just doesn't exist in the real world!
Ok, well adopted children obviously come from difficult walks of lives. The last thing they need is to be bullied for their parents being homos. They need to have as much of a natural home as possible. Meaning a mom and a dad. Not a dad and a dad.
I live in a group home. not the same as a foster home but I rather be in a household of a gay couple if there wasn't any other choice. But I do know a girl who's rebellious against the house she was put in. The gay couple who were supposed to be taking care of her didn't want her anymore because she wouldn't be gay like them. She brought a boy home because they were doing this project together. The couple thought that Stace and the guy were together or something and kicked him out because they wanted Stacey to be only friends with and go out with girls even though Stacey was totally straight. It was ridiculous.
Well, then that is another extreme situation! All of this narrowmindedness has to stop! I mean, it is incredibly irresposible for parents to only approve if their child is like them (i.e. a gay couple wanting a gay child and a straight couple wanting a straight child). You'd have thought the gay couple would have know better and faced enough prejudice to not have been so narrowminded toward their foster child! Parents should endeavour to bring their child up to be open-minded, respectful, polite people, and be extremely proud of them! There are far too many rude, obnoxious over-oppinionated little shits out there for my liking, and that is due to society and the way parents bring their children up (or don't bring their children up, as is unfortunately often the case today. But then, you could use the same extreme with religion. One of my old friends is a Jehovah's witness, and her parent's didn't like her socialising with anyone who wasn't, unless she could convert them! So I don't necessarily think it's an irresponsible gay parenting thing, more likely extremes of society that you get in all walks of life! Doesn't make it right though, but I can't suggest a solution either!
Seems like no one has posted on here in a while, so I thought I would start the ball rolling again as it were, an post a thought of mine. I was thinking, that seeing as here in the UK, civil partnerships are coming into effect next month, so that gay couples can effectively marry. Well, I think that there should be more dependable and successful ways for gay couples to have children. I think donors should be publicised more, and there should be more companies, such as www.mannotincluded.com which make life easier for gay couples to have children. I also think there should be some provision for that on the NHS here in the UK, seeing as they spend so much on aborting children, where straight couples aren't responsible enough to use contraception, I think it is only fair to provide a facility for gay couples to have children! There we have it, a bold statement, but its how I feel! Does anyone have any comments? Lucy
Lucy, it's not something I've given much thought to, as I'm streight, but your justification sounds good to me. and I would support any such move in this country to change in that way.
Dicks are for Chickcs you silly fag.
I love to talk to lisbeon people.
Just to no what it is like being not straight.
Birrdy.
I have a couple of really good friends i talk to on hear who are like that.
blindguy, just do us all a favour and just fuck off! If you have nothing constructive to say, then just bugger off! What sort of comment is that anyway?! And who the hell are you calling a 'silly fag' anyway?! Cos if it's me, then have the balls to say it to my face. You ignorant narrowminded prick! And thank you for the intelligent reply to my post Kev, it was much appreciated. As the intent of my post was exactly that, to get some sensible thought into a topic which I feel needs addressing. So if there is anyone else who would like to contribute some intelligent thought, then please feel free. Thanks, Lucy.
Well, some very intresting views on the board, i just wanna say that Lucy i support you to the back door and Blindguy, like seriously you really need to get a life, adding comments such as the ones you have added really is not a good idea because at the end of the day that is what these boards are for, freedom of speach and if you don't like it, then that is just tough shit! There are some really strong views here and fair play to everyone who has the balls to say how they feel!
Lets see more views up there because i find them very intresting!
Can't think of much else to say as my mind has now gone blank, hehehehe! Take care people until next time!
I think it's a good idea for something like this. Yes people will bash others no matter. But when I say something that I believe in (man and a women should date, have kids, get married, share a life etc.) that'll offend their race/community because thats how I believe life should be. But those are my beliefs and that might sound offensive to a gauy person. Not that it'll divide the community in any way. I mean we have safe haven for those who don't want to see offensive language or bashings in topics or posts. So why not give these folks their own message board. It'll give them their own place to belong to.
doctorlucy you really don't understand me, and judging by the last post you never will either.
No, I'm pleased to say I don't understand you blindguy! I think I would have to consider suicide if I could understand someone who comes across as a narrowminded, sexist, racist, ignorant person. Of course, you may have some hidden depth and personality somewhere which isn't intertwined with the rude obnoxiousness which you exhibit here on the zone, but that's debatable. And as things stand, I can sleep soundly at night knowing I don't understand you!
we don't need our own boards, cuz that's descrimination! these boards give us the right to speak our minds, and that's just what we're doing. if people get offended with this topic, or things we say, they don't have to read it! and yes Lucy, i totally agree with you about making things easier for us to have kids.
No offense to any people here, but just as you say freedomof speech. Blindguy also does have the right to say whatever he wants to say, cuz of freedom of speech, so yes, he may not like your views, but can we say you don't like his either? You guys are just contradicting yourselves.
Don't confuse the issue with logic, as I don't think the vast majority on this site gay or streight, or bi can handle such higher thought processes.
I don't feel that setting a separet category aside for gays, lesbians, parents, siblings, blacks, whites, hores, pimps, Christians, muslims, Jews or any other type of person/life style is necissary. The purpose of the categories on here is not to divide people, but to divide the topics discussed in to categories so that they are more manageable to read. If a particular topic/person offends you, as we've said several million times by now, just ignore that person/topic. If people talking about being gay bothers you that much, you have 1 of 2 options. 1. Just skip over the topic. 2. Grow up and get used to the fact that not everyone lives the same lifestyle as ou and doesn't share your values.
listen if you don't like this board then get off it. i don't need these arguing games or someone saying my board isn't this or that.
Yes, everyone is entitled to freedom of speech etc. And it's not about arguing or falling out or whatever. And it's not saying this board is only for the use of gay people etc. It is a board of gay related topics, to which everyone is entitled to an opinion. I'm sure it's an opportunity for people who know little about some of the things which affect the gay community to learn more, and contribute sensibly. The only contentious issue is when someone like blindguy posts a homophobic post such as post 96 above. What is the use? What is the benefit? Who does it help? What does it prove? And what message does it convey? I think the point of cookies_and_cream setting up this board was for the gay community who use the zone to have some sensible discussion without the ordinary fear of prejudice which we face in everyday life. When soneone says things to threaten that, then of course they're going to be made an exception of! All we ask is general tact and decorum, and some healthy, constructive discussion. If you can't provide that, then you shouldn't post on the boards!
Very well said, need i say much more!
I have a question. If the boards aren't designed for spacific groups then why do we have a religion board? I'm not trying to argue, but from what I've seen that is designed for a spacific set of people, those who are religious; IE, believe in God...
I'm not sure about the religion topics category, since I didn't create it, but logic would tell me that you don't have to be religious to discuss religion. For example, an athiest can go on the religion topics board and post something asking Christians why they believe the way they do. In this context, though the person is not religious, the topic does pertain to religion.
And the same could apply to a board for the "abnormal sexual orientations". I'm not saying there should be one, guess I'm just playing devils advocate. *smile* But would one have to necessarily be homo or bisexual to post there? No, a perfectly strait person could go on there and post a question about why others are or what made them the way they are type deal...So, same logic does apply.
The religion topics category doesn't attempt to filter people out based on their religion preferences though like u r suggesting be done for the "abnormal sexual orientations" category. I think you've misssed the entire idea here. This site was designed to bring people together, not to seperate them in to groups as society already does that for us. Since I myself am heterosexual, I can not speak for those who are not, but based on my reading of this topic and others, the concensus is that they do not want to be pushed aside like that, but would rather be accepted as human beings who have a different sexual preference. If I'm incorrect on this, please tell me so.
you are correct, thanks for saying that.
Yay for the hurshie express!
LOL, I wasn't saying I wanted anything like that either. I was simply playing devils advocate as the saying goes. *smile* Looking at a different angle and suggesting it. And I guess I see it differently. I was thinking of a board like this for the discussion of such issues, not as pushing people aside and making them confine to just that board, but again, just playing devils advocate and giving different sides of the situation. *smile*
Yeah, but there are different sides of a situation in a constructive manner, and there are those in an abusive, 'offence intended' manner. That is the point really. You can say anything you like and get away with murder so to speak, providing it is done constructively! It's a nack some people are to stupid or arrogant to master!
hey guys i did create this board so anyone may come and post topics related to the boards name. Keep it up.
The point is, everyone is free to look at the board, so an oppinion will be said whether it fits your boat or not.
ok, back to the topic. i'm still disgusted that proposition 2 passed here in Texas! canada here i come, when i get enough money.
Blindguy, AKA crack smoker, shutup!
You dang pervert!
Quit doing that!
Show some respect!
Can I go with you to Canada Chelsey? I have always wanted to go to Canada.
lol, yeah lets all go to canada, for what reason i'm not sure! bd why do u want to move to canada? *smile*
Thank god it passed in texas, now if only we can get it as a constitutional amendment.
I think it probably has something to do with gay marriage Lisa. I think it's illegal in Texas, but not so in Canada. Not that I know much about gay rights in the US. But me and Hayley are up for moving to Canada too :). It's a beautiful country! Maybe we can all meet there one day ?!
yes lucy, that's right. yeah, let's all plan on meeting each other one day :). blindguy i'm sure will take that the wrong way, and probably say that we wanna have a threesum, but whatever floats his boat!
Hey what's wrong with a threesome? Lol. They are not so bad if you are really into them, but yes we can all meet and have a big zone party in Canada.
nothing's wrong with them, my point was just that people would probably take what i said out of context. experimentation's always good :).
Thanks for that Lucy! Well, guess where we'll not be moving to! lol. God that sucks big time. Like in todays day and age i really didn't think that would be going on. Like, come on, get with the times! I really wouldn't want to live there. No wonder your wanting to move to canada bd, i really don't blame you! Yeah lets all move to canada and have the biggest gayest party hehehehehehehe, now that would be fun! Who knowes, we could all meet up one day, stranger things have happened! Not sure about the three sum though lol. Don't know how my other half would feel about that hehehehe!! But if you guys wanna have a free sum then i'm sure that wouldn't matter lol, then we could just blame canada hehehe!! But then again canada does seem like a really good idea and why didn't i think of that *smile* Yeah i think we'll give the three sum a miss but hey, bring on the party! *smile*t
Hey everyone, all the gay and bi folks invade Canada. Lol.
right on jess! along with the people who support us.
Hay I don't care what you do as long as you don't get married in this country, and don't have kids, keep it behind closed doors, enough said.
Canada here we come then! I'm sure my baby will agree! But in reality, we should be able to get married and live wherever the hell we like! And I welcome the day when it happens!
amen lucy! jarred, who are you to say weather we can or cannot have kids or get married? no one as far as i'm concerned! as i've stated numerous times before, if straight people are allowed to marry, why shouldn't we be able to? there's no reason whatsoever, just people's ignorance that's keeping it from happening. saying we can't get married is like saying blind people can't. point is, that's discrimination! you wouldn't like it if someone treated you like that, would you? the point i'm trying to make out of this, is that we're people, just like you, only difference is our sexual preference...why does that make a difference in the way you treat us? we have feelings, and they do get hurt, and let me inform you of something else! the more ignorant people we have in this world, who treat us unkindly make us all the more proud to be who we are! am i right y'all?
If you want to be involved in a homosexual marriage, that's fully and completely up to you. But you should not be able to adopt a child into you rhomosexual environment. Homosexuality and parenthood do not go together, whether naturally or artificially.
Straight parents do not introduce that additional layer of social separation, Bryce. And when I say homosexual, I'm meaning both types of homosexual relationships, male and female. The term homosexual means same sex. It does not just refer to the male aspect of homosexuality.
why isn't oral sex natural? The cells within your mouth have stronger perceptory strength, and there fore should be able to convey a higher sense of eroticism. Even animals will do it, albeit not to the extent humans do.
It's not really up to the child, Bryce. What if the child is 3 months old when he or she is adopted? Can you really say that the infant had a choice as to whether or not it wanted to be adopted by a homosexual couple? OK, what if the child is five years old. Would the child even understand the concepts involved? I highly doubt it.
I notice you're not trying to answer my questions, Bryce. And even if a child had a teenage mother, I'd still say that child would be more socially acceptible. And you don't need to copy and paste everythign I've said, Bryce... Everyone can scroll back up. It's just wasting space.
I have to say I agree with Wraith on this one. While I go further and don't believe that homosexuals should be allowed to "marry" even though I am in support of civil unions that's a strictly religious decision on my part which I make no appology for. I've sceen what gay parrents to do children, and it's not pretty.
people keep bringing up that it's society's views that're screwed up, and indeed it is! that's what pisses me off, people go with what society thinks, instead of forming their own oppinions! since i'm gay, i'll use me as an example. are you gonna say, even though you've never met me, that if i have kids, i'll be the worst parent my child's ever had? my mom's pretty nerrowminded, but do you think just because of that, i'll all of a sudden "turn straight"? no! unfortunately society looks upon homosexuals as being nasty, and whatever else, but we have just as much of a right to get married and have kids as straight people. there're many straight parents in this world, who society doesn't see fit that they have kids, because it's either a young teen mom, or the mom's slept around with every tom dick and harry and doesn't know her the baby's dad is. there're numerous other situations i can think of, but i won't even bother bringing them up now.
What society thinks is something that does need to be taken into consideration, because ultimately, we all have to go out and become a part of society. The reality is that a child adopted by a gay couple is very likely to be bullied at school because of his/her parents, and any child adopted by a gay couple might possibly find it more difficult to adjust than a child adopted by a straight couple. Children are cruel, very cruel, and even a child who is adopted by a straight couple is likely to be taunted at school and told that their parents aren’t their real parents, but a child adopted by gay parents will have the added taunts of how, not only are their parents not their real parents, but they are gay as well. And kids aren’t all that politically correct on the issue – they call a spade a spade.
It is actually a very difficult one to call though. I do not believe that being gay makes someone a bad parent, after all, it is not your sexuality that makes you the person you are, if it is, then there are serious issues. We all have our own definitions of normal, and for children this is the same. For a child who grows up in a single parent family, for that child, that is normal, for a child who grows up in an extremely religious family where you prey 5 times a day and live your life by almightt god, for that child, that is normal, and for a child who grows up with two parents of the same sex, for that child, that is normal. But the parents who bring children up in these circumstances need to be aware that what they perceive to be normal is not necessarily perceived as normal by the rest of the world, and therefore they need to bring their children up in such a manner so as to prepare them for the prejudices of society. I actually would favour giving a child up for adoption to a gay couple than to a single parent for instance, at least a gay couple can support each other in the raising of a child, whereas a single parent is on his/her own, and .. well it’s just not right in my view.
Dorian. I've never once said that just because the parents were gay they would be bad parents. I've just said that society would not accept it, and would in fact sew repercussions for it. By introducing your child into an environment which contains elements which are not with in the realm of "the normal", you're opening them up to a future of social hell.
i wasn't saying you said that, but others were. yes i have been blind all my life, and yes there've been people who've tormented me, but there've also been people who've welcomed me with open arms. i know a gay couple who had a child, and from what i've seen, and what they've told me, yes there've been times when their son was tormented, but over time people realized that he's no different than anyone else. i think the point in this topic was to try to break society's views on homosexuality. i hope i didn't come across as bitchy, but i feel strongly about this issue, and i'll continue to stand up for it.
hi guys. I figured that I would put in my two cents.
I have respect for the PEOPLE who are gay. I don't agree with the lifestyle, but it's not right to completely ignore an entire segment of the population of the world.
I have another spin on the gay parents/children angle. I don't think the question is necessarily whether or not a gay couple can love and provide for a child. THat's not a question... but there are certain things that two women can't provide that a man and a woman can. Triditionally, women are nurturers, and they generally are those who, when a child gets his/her feelings hurt, cuddle the child, kiss the boo-boo on the knee, and say they'll try and make everything all ebtter for baby. Men, on the other hand, are protectors. They'd slay dragons for their families (note: I am speaking of MEN, rather than simply biological 18+ males), and if the same child goes to Daddy after getting his/her feelings hurt, Daddy helps them toughen up, keep their chin up, and so forth. The thing is that, in today's society, many people don't think that men and women are different... because traditionally "society made women nurturers and men tough-guys", when, in fact, the new movements in feminism try and portray anything male as "bad".
So to be honest, I don't agree that gay couples should have children, but I also don't think that a gay couple can't love children as , much as good, straight people.
you're stereotyping, you don't even know me, yet you're still gonna say that i can't adaquitly provide my child with him or her needs? you don't know if every woman is soft hearted, but you're still gonna imply that? you're making unfair judgements, because like i said, you don't even know me, therefore, you can't judge how good or bad i'll be at raising my child!
Crazy musician makes a valid point in that there are certain elements that a same sex couple cannot provide. However, I will expand this beyond the gay boundaries, because there are also certain elements that a single mother or single father cannot provide, and this has been proven in many studies. For instance, if as a gay male couple you adopt a girl, you are not, as two men, able to support her in the same way as a mother could when that girl reaches puberty and goes through all the changes that girls go through, and by the same token, a single father cannot support his daughter in the same way. But generally single parents come about because the other partner either ends the relationship or perhaps dies, and therefore there generally is no control over whether someone becomes a single parent. Gay parents come about because they make actual steps to become parents, either through fertility treatments or adoption. And there is one further point, while I by no means believe that a gay couple will raise a gay child, I can’t help but wonder if, when that child reaches puberty, if that child wouldn’t perhaps be steered in the direction of partners that are the same sex as the child, not deliberately, but would a gay woman naturally think to ask her daughter if she had a boyfriend yet?
Beautiful_Dorian the issue isn't if you'd be a good parrent. The issue is enviornment. It'd be shitty no mater how good the parrents are to put a white kid in the middle of detroit or highland park with two black parrents.
Well, i do believe it is seriously, seriously wrong that people such as those above that gay parents may it be a female couple or male couple. that is just tieing gay people to the same pole and to be honest i think it's bull shit!! And for female and male gay parents kids who are going to school and getting bullied well, that just says more about the straight parents kids for going and builling those kids with gay parents, yeah, and i know kids are kids but at the end of the day it really dos say something about the "straight" parents and they are the ones who are sending bullies into school! After i really do doubt that it would be the "gay" parents kids which would be going into school and doing the bullieing, that says alot about the "straight" parents! Also kids being kids can tease or bullie other kids about, their skin colour, hair, how they dress, how they look and come on, that's just how kids are, no matter what you look like what colour your skin is, and a load of other things which i'd rather not go into at this moment, at the end of the day most kids get bullied or teased in one way or another!!
Also, if your female gay parents, i mean come on there is always going to be a male for the kid to look up to, may it be his or her brother,granddad,uncal,cousin or even a male friend, they're still going to get to interacted with other males! and in the other hand if your gay male parents then the kid is going to have like a sister,grandma,anti,cousin,friends who they could, if they wanted, to look to!! It's about the whole family, they all have an effect on your kid aswell. You can't just judge every body as a wholelike one gay couple wouldn't bring a kid up the way another couple would bring up a kid, they have their own indevisual personalitlys as well ya know, not just the fact of being gay!! and just another thing, look at the percentage of abuse like child abuse that goes on in the home, like 99 per cent of child abuse on little kids are mainly fucking male, and i'm not saying that all males are child abusers but, it's mainly men, hardly ever women!! and as for male gay parents well, come on lets face it, those men are more like women in the personatilys so, i'm not saying that it would never happen but i seriously doubt it!!
And just one more thing which i'd really like to add!! It's all out of love, Love Love so, how on earth can this be wrong!!!!!!!!!
I have to agree with wraith on this one. I do not think Gay people should be allowed to have children, furthermore I don't even think they should adopt them unless that is the only situation for the child.
There are a few things that I would like to say. First did anyone see the 2020 report about gay parents? They concluded, after the studies, that children of gay parents are not more likely to be gay. They might be more open to experiment, but not more likely to be gay.
And another thing. Children will be picked on NO MATTER WHAT. If they have a mommy and a daddy, but of different races, that child will be picked on. That family happened, as has been said on the board, naturally, meaning no steps outside of the bedroom, but still that kid will be picked on. Also if 2 blind parents have a kid, the chances of that kid being blind is increased. Does that mean that we as blind people should not have children? I find that ludicris! I want to, like straight people, fall in love and start a family.
wELL THANKS VERY MUCH, I NEVER HEARD ABOUT THAT TWENTY TWENTY REPORT. iT WOULD BE VERY INTRESTING TO CHECK IT OUT!!
*SMILE*
thanks so much for that info about the 20/20 report, it's comforting to know. it's also comforting to see all these ignorant people, cuz at the end of the day, they make us all the more proud to be who we are! much love to da gay haters!
Right. Seems I've not been online for a day, and world war three breaks out on a nice debate, which I have many many opinions on, so here goes.
Firstly, let's take Wraith's opinions into account, and using the logic, say this: Because person X is blind, they should not be able to have children, as they won't be able to see what the child is getting up to, or if it is doing something it shouldn't and putting itself in un necessary harm'. Is that a fair comment to make? Like fuck is it! Why not? Society would agree that blind people would have difficulty bringing up children, and social services won't let blind people adopt, so why should it be OK for them to have children? The reason is this, because, no matter what people can give or do, and what they can't, they adapt to situations, and to the needs of a child whom they love, to give and provide it with the best life possible. No one on here I'm sure that being blind, does not mean that a person shouldn't be able to have children, albeit that society in general may not agree.
Secondly, children are cruel, yes. I remember at school, there was this boy who always looked dirty, and kids used to go around bullying him and saying he 'smelt' and 'had the lergie'. But he was like he was because his parents weren't emmensely well off, and he didn't have every new gadget under the sun. But he still got the hell bullied out of him. And all the parents at the school disapproved of the way he was brought up. So, should his parents not have been allowed to have children, just because they did not dress their child to conform to the way the rest of the school thought was right? In that said, he was a nice, well behaved, pleasant hardworking child, never in trouble, would do anything for anyone, well brought up. But if we went on what society thought wsa right, he wouldn't have been permitted to be brought into this world.
Also, I'm the first to admit, I was hardly born into a loving relationship between my parents, my dad is a homophobic twat, and my mum is loving and supportive in every way possible. They live together, but don't have a conventional 'man, wife' relationship as society would see it. So, should they not have been allowed to have me? Yeah, it's a straight relationship, but hardly one society would view as normal. And should they not have taken my cousin in from my aunt and uncle, who are in a 'conventional, loving' straight relationship, but neglected him and mentally abused him for the first 8 years of his life? Bollocks!
And also, you say gay people should have kids cos it's not 'natural'? Neither is IVF, so should all of the straight couples trying for kids by IVF not be allowed to have them as it isn't a natural process?
Black, white, gay, straight, blind, sighted, whatever the hell you like, who the hell is society to determine who should and shouldn't have kids? When it's society who creates this problem! In fact, it sometimes seems it would be far better off if only gay couples have kids, as they would probably be brought up to be more open-minded and healthier individuals because of it, and all of this 'society' bollocks wouldn't be an issue! I'm gay, and proud. I'm in an extremely loving relationship, and couldn't be prouder or happier, and when we have kids one day (and we will), I will cherish them, and bring them up to be loving, individuals. They and Hayley will want for nothing, I'll make sure of that. So when I have this much love and giving in me, how can someone say I shouldn't be allowed to have kids because I'm gay? That is the very attitude that shouldn't be allowed to breed in society!
The reality is that in this country, gay people are allowed to adopt, whereas the disabled are not. I think that there is a distinction though, whether people should be allowed to have children of their own, and whether they should be allowed to adopt them. At the end of the day, anyone can have a child, and that is anyone who is prepared to go through the treatments that might be necessary in order to make that happen if it isn’t possible to conceive naturally. And when you decide to have a child, no one is there to decide whether you are a fit parent, sadly, sometimes, only experience determines that. And I have seen first hand what result that can have. There are some who believe that the disabled, any disabled, shouldn’t be allowed to have children. Now I am totally blind, and I have a 3 year old son, and never, not once, not ever, have I encountered prejudice from anyone about the way I bring up my son, or whether I should have been allowed to have him. He does not do anything differently because I can’t see, there is no difference, however, this isn’t the case for all disabled people. I used to attend a mother/toddler group with my son, and there was a woman who had a little girl who was about two or three months younger than Nathan. The woman had some learning difficulties, she clearly was not one of us if you get my meaning, but there could have been no doubt that she loved her daughter. However, due to the fact that she had learning difficulties, her daughter did not grow up normally, her mother just didn’t have the mental capacity to encourage normal development, and as a result, when she was 18 months old, the little girl was taken into care and has now been adopted by another family member. I guess what I’m saying is, if you’re able to have your own kids, there’s nothing stopping you from doing that, and there’s no one who can say you’re not fit to be a parent until or unless you prove them otherwise. But adoption is an entirely different matter. When you adopt, you are taking in a child who has most likely already been through a lot of trauma, who has emotional and psychological problems, and who needs a “as close to normal as possible” family to take care of him/her. And before anyone says that I’m saying being gay isn’t normal, I by no means am saying that, but what I’m saying is that a child who has been through such a lot needs a proper family unit, and I equally do not think single people should be allowed to adopt. In this country it is actually extremely difficult to adopt. You are unlikely to be approved to adopt if you are, over 35, if you are a smoker, considered to be overweight, disabled, … and the list goes on.
ok people. i just reay my whole board. there are many things i want to comment on. number one is that if you don't like us then stay off here. its not that hard for you. also if you are bisexual as someone on here is and havbe to keep making comments against the lesbvian world then go be with a man. third, how can you be bi and havbe bboy friends but not girl friends and say you havbe the best of both. if you just want girls for sex and men for relationship don't you think that is a little fucked up. now i havbe a friend she has a mom who is a lesbvian my friend was raised by her and her girlfriend and now is married and her and her husband live with the lesbian mom and girl lady. you are saying that if a parent has a child then gets a devorce a year later gets with a women and becomes lesbian that child should be taken away?
man these posts are crazy.
geez, now someone created an anti gay board? this is where it needs to stop! all this bullshit society creats is completely outrageous!
Oh, my god, this is really getting out of hand. Ah fuck it, i'm not going to post anymore as i really couldn't be fucking bothered with all this crap!! it's not worth the hassel!!!
i totally agree lisa.
Come on people! We can't let this board be forgotten! It is our freedom and right to express ourselves and pe proud of who we are, and where we come from! We endure too much shit from some biggotry straight poeple to throw the towel in now! So let's keep up the sensible discussion and friendly atmosphere, and show the world that we're not as ignorant and narrowminded others on this site!
we need to post on there on here guys. it lets them know that we are not effected by what they post or what they have to say.
Someone told me that the "divorce" procedures for civil unions are going to be a lot more difficult to accomplish. Does anyone know if that is indeed the case or not?
Someone told me that the "divorce" procedures for civil unions are going to be a lot more difficult to accomplish. Does anyone know if that is indeed the case or not?
ok that was posted twice enough
I haven't heard whether that's true or not. but isn't it kind of difficult enough to get a divorce?
No need to get snarky Jess. It's a common accident to post double. *smile* I'm sorry you did not care for the post itself anyway. I only meant to get dialog going again in a positive direction. I brought the topic up because I don't think the rules should be any more challenging for the disolving of civil unions. When I heard this info, it was refering to civil unions in the UK not in the States and it might be a load of crap for all I know. I thought maybe someone might no what the rules and laws are, so I asked.
Jumping back to what some people have said about homosexuals having children. Conception happens when a man and a woman get together. Not two men, not two women. A woman and a woman can't naturally have a child, so I don't think it's right that they should go to a sperm donor. If you want a child that badly, adopt one or be with a man. Same goes for the other way around. And yes, before you guys start jumping down my throat, I think it's wrong even, that straight people have kids artificially sometimes, too. If you're not meant to have kids, then you're not meant to have kids. It's the way evolution works. Population control, you know.
-- Allie
Hell, I don't know about making it less difficult to disolve civil partnerships as the way to go to achieve equality between gay and straight couples. I think it should be made more difficult! Marriage is taken into too lightly these days, and it is too easy to divorce! I think gay or straight, married or in a civil partnership, it should be bloody difficult to get a divorce. The whole principle of divorce itself makes a mockery of the whole idea of total commitment anyway!
I have to agree that civil conversation has to be kept going to let certain people know that a board topic directly against certain people is only a waist of time. I won't even read that board and waist my time on it. As far as the comments on civil unions and marriages. I think one should be just as difficult as the other to dissolve. I also think to talk about what we are naturally able to do; while I do appreciate nature, we are not moving scientifically forward for no reason. And does this mean that if you were given a chance to have your site through a surgery you would deny it because it's not "natural and/or meant to be?". I do not like the words "meant to be...". They majorly irk me, so, I'll stop my comment here.
well, I had house parents that told me that if i didnt make my gay friends become straight that I would burn in hell. I laughed at them and said that i needed a driver to get me there. to get me ther
Yes, actually, that is exactly how I feel about having a little computerized camera or micro chip in my brain in order to make it possible for me to have my sight back. I just, can't see myself doing it. But that's for a different board topic.
-- Allie
I am the same, do you know the risks of having sight, especially if you never had it before. That stimulation to the brain can seriously be overloading, but that is a different topic for a different board, and I must agree with alley on this one.
thanks to amber, i now know of a website we can go to to keep up to date with the latest happenings on gay marriage. it's www.freedomtomarry.org, if y'all wanna check it out. :) thanks again amber! *hugs you tight*
Thanks for the sight, I'll be sure to take a look, and as far as the dangers involved, there is always a way to adjust if you work at it, where there is a will there is a way; at least that is my own way of looking at it, but to each his own. My problem with saying certain groups should not use alternative means that are considered by some not to be natural is this. I'm blind and having trouble conceiving via natural means, however, when we can we are going to take what extra steps we're comfortable with to conceive, and failing that we are going to be looking closer at adoption. Thank who ever is out there that the "disabled" adopting in the US is permissable.
That indeed is an excellent resource for the topic of same-sex marriage. It stays very up to date with the facts and the media of what is happening around the country in states and federal government, where the matter of same-sex marriage and civil unions are concerned. *smiles*
are there any more sites anyone can think of?
where's everyone? let's get this topic going again!
Ok I don't wanna read this whole thing. So what are we talking about.
Well, we were talking about gay marage but, everyone seems to have gone quiet for a while. Come on people, lets get posting again on the board! *smile
I haven't read this in a while, so I don't know if my suggestions have already been made, but here I go anyway. I subscribe to a couple newsletters. They are the advocate, www.advocate.com, and planet out, www.planetout.com. I really like the informantion I get from the advocate. Happy reading.
thanks jen, will be sure to check those out.
Also, the gay marriage issue is a hot spot in maryland right now, that's where I live. I want to get involved soemhow, but I don't know if there are groups involved or what. Does anyone know how I could find out, or does anyone know of any groups etc. that I could get in contact with? Thanks
have you called information and asked if they have any numbers?
Cheers Jen, i'll be sure to check out those news letters. *smile
And as for the Gay marige issue, i'm not to sure where you could find out information as i'm thousands of miles away from where you live but, i hope you get what your looking for, good luck!! *smile
lisa, long time no see! *hugs*.
hello everyone i just read my whole board. wow, the straight people sure know to ruin someones board. but they aren't going to do this to us. Keep it up and happy valentines day to all my rainbows including b, chels, lucy, hailey, lisa, victoria, lauren, and everyone i forgot.
happy early v day j and everyone else, love y'all!
AH thanks chels and cookies and_cream, how sweet *smile. Hope everyone had a great V day, red heart smiley*. Yeah long time no talk chels. wot you been up to lately?
It's great to see you guys posting again. *hugs
Oh, before i forget, is any of you a member of gaydargirls.com?
just curious
*smile
lisa what is that.
What is gaydargirls.com? It's a web site for gay girls only. It's called gay dar girls.com. I've heard that it's a really good web site where you can get chatting with other gay girls and i was just wondering if any of you guys here were a member? I'm nearly sure Lucy is a member.
Anyways, you should check it out if you get a chance *smile
I'm just considering weather or not to become a member or not. *smile
sounds interesting. will definitely check it out.
Yeah, you should. *smile
Damn! You guys should check out this article. http://www.advocate.com/news_detail_ektid25942.asp
It's just plain disgusting, I would have just pasted the article here, but I'm not sure if that's allowed. Anyway this article is about this religious group that goes to the funerals for the fallen service men and women, and protest, saying that god is punishing the U.S. for supporting gays. I'm just flabbergasted that people who supposedly are so full of love and goodness, yeah right, would use family's pain to further their own agenda. What the hell is the country coming to!
that's what makes me so ashamed to live in such a country.
Ahem, well I'm going to start raving on this topic. I'm am straight, and I have no problem with gay/lesbian/bi whatever you are. However, please, the adopting kids thing? No. Just no. It's like...that child is going to be screwed up. It won't know what to believe, it will be made fun of. What parent would want that for their kid? I know straight parents screw up their kids too, but let's screw them up the least amount possible. And gay marriage, well...honestly, you can live with the person, so what's the difference? It's only a legal technicality. And besides, I'm a Christian and I don't believe that gay couples should marry. I have quite strong opinions about homosexuals. My father, the son of a bitch that he is, after 21 years of marriage to my wonderful mother, he confesses that he is gay. And that he's been cheating on her with men for like 10 years now. So, yeah, from my experience, I have no issues with gay people as people, as long as they are honest about what they are. And why really is there a separate board for homosexuals? Why can't I have a board for....people with blonde hair, or people that can see enough not to use Jaws? Isn't that kind of discriminating against us?
if you know that that's descrimination, why then, are you saying we don't have the right to get married and adopt kids? as i've said before, unfortunately most of society believes that too, but it's not fair! i'm not trying to change your oppinion, as a matter of fact, that's the last thing i wanna do, all i'm saying is think of others, rather than strictly going off of what you believe.
obviously you missed the whole point of my post. Whatever, screw up your kids.
its such a shame that you think that just cuz i'm gay, i'm automatically gonna screw up my children...what about the unconditional love that me and my partner have for them? oh, but never mind that eh?
Oh my god, you know what? Sometimes, people take things so offensively. Whatever, get your attitude, don't care. It is very confusing for the child, therefore, shouldn't you oh I don't know, think of the child first? Just a thought...
yeah i'm taking it seriously! i'm not gonna stop standing up for my rights just cuz of ignorant people. children go through things in life regardless if their parent's are gay. it's just a fact of life, and i'll teach them how to get along with everyone, and that although people have different beliefs than ourselves, that doesn't make it right or wrong. it is what it is.
I said offensively, first of all, so learn to read. Second, you stand up for your rights, as you are entitled to them. This, however, is a free country, which means, believe it or not, I have a right to state what I have to say. As do you. You have your rights, I have mine.
God will snmite down all the homosexuals in the appocolipss, when they will be punished for there vile sinful ways!
lol jared.
Hey guys, I want to run an idea by you all. I recently received the kurtzweil software and have started purchasing stories from authors that I've read online. Some of their works are online, but the final copies and revisions are published. I was thinking of starting a board for alternative fiction readers, though I don't know what's so alternative about it, lol. But I was thinking that we could post descriptions and our reviews. I know there's a category for book reviews, book nook, but I was thinking, like I said, of creating a post for GLBT books. I would appreciate feedback on this, such as, if it would be something enjoyable. Thanks for taking the time to read this post.
Jen
i think it'd be fine if you posted it here, since this topic's already for us.
Hey, nothing wrong with being a lezbian, nothing wrong with being a blind or visually impared lezbian or gay person for that matter, especially if you have a loving partner, like Nicky and myself. we both love each other, and the people on the sex addics board who keep busting our balls about that, over one simple question I asked, just don't get that we're happy. Is there some law saying that a blind person can't be with a sighted person ant d post about it because it makes her happy. Is that a crime or something that I asked what it meant to pop the cherry because I just have never heard of that phrase befor. My lover and I aren't retarded, she knows more about sex than I do, so is there something wrong with asking a simple question.
I've been reading through the posts on this board. I am straight, but have several friends who are lesbians, and it hasn't effected our friendship one bit. I've always found that the GLBT community is far more accepting of me and my blindness than many others, probably because they know what it is to be stereotyped on one characteristic alone.
Hey all,
I was just wondering if anyone on here from Baltimore is going to counteract the phelps protest at the laramie project on december 8th and/or 9th.
Jen
were i in the area i probably would.
My brother and I both want to go. We're calling people and posting messages trying to find out if anyone's going.
I'm lezbian myself and also blind and feel the same as the_queen_of_RNB (did I spell that right?) Anyway, just thought I'd let people know
hi,
it is not the matter of being lesbian or gay to be refused. it is all depending on the society or community you are living in.
i am a straight but i know gays who are refused or dealt carefully.
to be a lesbian or a gay is a matter against the laws of nature.
far from religions.
let's look to the matter logically, the sexual relations needs two different sexes to interact together, the result of that interaction is the highest ecstasy the interance of the male genitals in the female one is the cause of the ecstasy, but those who are homosexual are following illusion. they want to be different to be unique to be seen by others.
but tell me those who are lesbian or gays, have you tried sexual relation with other sex? on condition to inter the relation with a logical thinking. i want you to try real sexual with other sex, and then tell me, i am ready to discuss the matter with you on my e-mail: elshaer76@hotmail.com
i will tell you my experience about that.
really the bosom of the different sex partnner is highly exciting and enjoyable, try it and tell me.
thanks for being patient
elshaer76
welcome to you on my e-mail and those who are willing to add me to their contacts list on msn are all welcome
Okay I'm replying to the last post. I'm not gay, but I don't think being lesbian for some is a sexual thing in the sense of having sex. I understand it to be a liking for women, or in men's case other men. It's sort of like me liking a woman for her smell, her voice, the way she looks and all before the sex happens. Now some gay/lesbains say they are that way for the sexual aspects of the thing, so in that case you'd be half correct that maybe if the tasted the other way they'd like it as well. Now last sexual pleasure since this is what your focus is on can be caused by other means the the penis and vagina inter action. So Lesbain/gays do and can get as much pleasure from a sexual union as straights. Give that some thought.
Now on the starting of this I'd have to agree it's not a blind thing, but a people thing if your not excepted by blind people. It's not them being blind, but narrow minded, so I'd not even think about it that way.
I find it to be true as well. I don't usually judge people for how they feel and try to be accepting and understanding of everyone, no mater how different they are.
thanks Forereel for commenting. on my post, those wo are enjoying other ways than the natural way, are all have a bad way of thinking, if they try the interaction between a penis and a vagina they will have another view if they work out their minds logically, i have a single question: what may lesbian enjoy when having just vagina and a vagina together? where may the interaction be? the interaction which excites the genitals. also guys, where is the ecstasy in putting a penis in enus of a man? where is the warmth of female? thanks
I can't belive this bored has surfaced once again, gosh...i have no issue with the whole being gay thing, it's just the whole sexual thing that freiks me out! The thought of men putting there dicks where shit comes out of? ewwww! or theperson with a dick in their ass? OMG! Lord have murcey! lol
Bisexuals I don't mind so much...
Hey guys, I just noticed this board. I read through it all (ultimate procrastination, and classes have barely begun) so here's my 2 cents.
Why do we need our own board? Here specifically, let's not think of this as exclusive so much as an individual topic. Why? Because if you are homophobic, you can't say you didn't know what to expect - gay content - when you clicked the link. We need it to find solidarity, a sense of community and safety in a largely heterosexist world. If you do want exclusive, I'm going to whore out my lj community. There are few members and fewer posts right now, but if you are gay/vi and want a place to write, lgb_blind.livejournal.com is a moderated community.
Jen/MysticRain, I'm in Baltimore. If you haven't found it yet, Equality MD is our huge marriage rights group. eqmd.org is their official site. They're the ones working on the suit against the state of MD. I had a great women's studies professor, Jodi, who is a part of one of the couples suing. And of course, yes, she has children.
So let me address that topic. Children. I know a fair amount of gay people raising children whether through artificial insemination or adoption. Personally, I am trying very hard to ignore the "not right, sinful, fuck your kids up, burn in hell" rhetoric. I'll go to the other side of outrageous. I'd argue that first of all, as has been stated, kids are picked on regardless of the gender makeup of their parent(s). I would blame that more on the parents raising bullies and group mentality than the state of the bullied child's family structure. As for feminism and the gender arguments, anyone who is educated in feminism and has studied the history of feminist movements knows that this "women are nurturers" idea is essentialist bullshit. We have been shaped and expected to do this. Personally, I'm a caretaker and peacemaker at heart. The 70's didn't mark women's sudden rebellion to "motherly roles" though. Go read some women's Victorian literature, and you'll see the desire to stop conforming and playing by patriarchal control has been going on for centuries. Plenty of men can nurture and raise children as well as women, so let's remember it's about the quality of the parents rather than gender, number, etc. My gay parent friends work very hard to ensure that their children are exposed to all genders and encouraged to experience things stereotyped as both masculine and feminine. The gay foster parents discussed are not the norm any more than adoptive parents who lock up their children and withhold food are the norm. I love who I am, but I would be relieved if my children were straight because of the current attitudes in our society.
Finally, the butch/femme and bi questions. I generally find myself drawn to women who are feminine in appearance. I like for a woman to be able to break gender stereotypes, though. She loves being a woman and wants to be nurtured but also knows how to take control, fend for herself and be independent. As for bi, I think it depends on the definition. Some women are bi in more of a sexual sense while others are bi in the "fall in love, have relationships" sort of way. I have dated women who have chosen to conform and date men because of the hate and disapproval that is so rampant in our world, and they identified as gay and eventually switched the label to bi. So, for me, it's about the ability and desire to build and maintain a relationship rather than the label, though as a person who is very secure in my gay identity, it takes a woman who's not still trying to figure out where she stands. So I guess the answer is that it lies more in the person's level of self assuredness than labels. Be confident, know yourself, love who you are and know what you want or be honest about the confusion.
I'm glad this exists,
~Jess in MD
couldnt have said it better myself, jess. thank you.
Me neither. Oh someone asked bout what sexual pleasure lesbians can get with 2 vaginas? One word, ok, 2 words, Oral Contact! As for guys, Well I'm obviously not a guy but I heard there are nerve endings in the anus, ok, getting imagery here, gotta stop talking bout this. I got nothing against gay or les people myself at all. Really! Ok, as I'm starting to ramble I'll finish this thing off. Love all! Lanna
I have nothing against gays or lesbians, or anyone in between. my mom is very narrow-minded about it though. She's like, "That's not normal." My brother and I have tried to explain to her on multiple occasions that it's perfectly okay, and there is nothing wrong with people who are not straight. i'd ask for a definition of normal, but I think there is already a topic on this subject somewhere in these message boards. I'm done now.
it is bak yay guys.
Thanks Jes! I'll go check that out.
smile
Jen
Nimphadora you're absolutely right! I wish all people had your mentality.
Amy, I agree completely! Joann, thanks for supporting us.
Nice to see this board is up and sort of active again. I never discover these things until a year after they have died.
we can't let this topic die, guys. come on. great to see you hypatia.
Hello all. It took me a while to find this board but if anyone is interested, we now have a blind lesbian group. We also include bi ladies in there as well. It is at blindlesbians-subscribe@yahoogroups.com. Hope to se more new faces from here over there.
thanks, Jess...that's great!
okay to the earlier post, how can a child be confused about anything whether their raised by a gay or straight couple. That isn't going to scrue up any kid, some straight couple really mess up their kids u no, as long as their in a loving home it shouldn't matter who the child lives with, if anything the child would be more excepting of people of many life styles,
amen to the last post!
I agree with post 2. I am not gay myself, but I have absolutely no problem with it, and I say, if you're gay or lezbian, don't be ashamed of it. My best friend is a lezbian, and proud of it!
well it is dead in here i thought it might be nice to stat this up once again i just want to know is there a happy ever after or what is all the hype. im 25 and i still grow more and more lost about this love thing when will it be my turn to find love and get my happy ever after ???
Bittersweet kisses, there is now a whole board category just for gays, lesbians, etc. You might have more luck posting your question there rather than drudging up this old topic.
Just a suggestion.
I am politically right, conservative, and blind, you are lesbian and blind, and yeah, it's unusual to be one of the minorities, but why do you want to blend in anyways? What's the use?
I do not believe sexuality matters as long as you share values and can live for one another just like anyone else, but that should be enough and the paring doesn't have to be a male and female. Who cares if you love another girl. No big deal, just like me being a blind conservative. Who cares it's an opinion of life. You have a freedom to choose, damn those who gives you no right.
Sorry, I had to come back to this board again. I have posted here before, saying that it didn't bother me if people are this or that, for as long as they are decent and good people, but after a few bad encounters with people who have this and that, I finally had enough. So if you are like this and like that, please don't contact me and don't respond to my remark here either. Thanks.
So rude... Don't worry, I won't.
I wasn't attacking or refering to particular people here, just saying there are things I can not deal with.
I haven't read every post on this board but I just read the most recent page's worth. It is so disturbing that in the 21st century, its not perfectly legal and acceptable in every state, or, anywhere in the world for that matter, for a gay or lesbian couple to marry and have children whether via adoption or other means. Unfortunetly, the right wingers and religious types cling to their outdated fiction and that just breeds intolerance and the last thing they want to do is actually get to know people that have that sort of preference. I mean long gone are the days when a black person or asian person was not allowed to marry or cohabitate with a white person for example. And as far as those countries where homosexuality is actually a crime punishable by death in some cases/places, that is a human rights violation if you ever did see one! It's pathetic that many nations are so far behind on basic human rights, including this one. So, it's about time, here in the modern age, that peple accept this as a naturally occuring thing. Because it is. Just because it is not the majority, it doesn't mean it is a fluke or some such thing. It doesn't make it wrong or unnatural. It's sick and disheartening how religious leaders spread this trash and promote this discrimination, which is what it is. Our goal as human beings, should be to seek knowledge and understanding, not to cling to outdated folk tales. Homosexuality is part of evolution, and is fact and it is absurd to dispute or write off fact when the only backing you have is a myth with no scientific basis. Sorry if I am replying to a post that is a bit old, but I had to say something.
I just thought I'd say hi to everyone and say that I wana go to Canada! And yes, I'm straight. If there's a party I'm there! And I might be able to see Kittie to! mmm!
Well Adrijana, I must say I'm disappointed. I thought you were a better person than that. As someone who plans on being a teacher one day, I shudder to think that you might be pushing your narrow-minded views on students. Ah well, I've said it before and I'll say it again: you can't reason with closed minds.
Becky
hey all it it is jess. just wanting to stop by and say hi to all of the GLBT community.
It is not about attitudes and how I would treat people this time. For me people are people and I value each person as they are, it is just that I myself deal with certain things in life right now, but thanks for expressing your views.
hey just a thanks to guitargod1, for post 250, and everyone else who has shown their support to the community. Straight alies are a necessary and important part of the quality movement.
Yeah, i'm bi and I am now feeling more accepted, I just joined our schools gsa so yeah